Posts by Giles Gray

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I came here three years ago for support and to make friends

by KateWild in

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friends

this site is such a great and valuable resource and simon is to be commended for running it for so long.

when i first came i was in such a bad state and really needed support and friendship.

so many posters commented on my threads and showed genuine care some are real life friends, some are facebook friends, some i talk to on the phone and some are forum friends.. i have just realised though that everyone online is not your friend.

Giles Gray

KateWild

I don't wish to be unkind, but maybe the reason why you have lost someone you considered a 'friend' is because of the way you treat people.

On the thread in question, you falsely accused two posters of having impure motives. It didn't stop there.

You went on to send at least one, if not both of these posters quite scathing PMs (something you have done to other people on this forum). This upset both posters to the extent that they both feared to continue in the discussion and kept out of it. To put it another way, you literally 'bullied' them off your thread for challenging you.

One of these posters is in your list of friends. Luckily for you they are very understanding and they give you plenty of slack. But it could be that over time, should you continue to treat people you consider 'friends' in such a manner, they will grow tired of your behaviour and avoid you.

Commendably, after it had been pointed out to you, you apologised. But would you have apologised if it hadn't been pointed out to you?

If you hadn't said you were sorry to your 'friend', could you blame them had they not wished to be your friend any longer? You would have only had yourself to blame.

Victim mentality only stretches so far, and many on here suspect you play at being one. When people see you are not being as considerate as you require of others, they will be put off.

Make sure this is not happening in your loss of this 'friend'.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

k99-"I guess I meant taking up the mantle of trying to get Kate to provide more reason and logic about why and how she came to her conclusion on guided evolution."

Well that's my pleasure. And thank you for your PM and also quoting my reference were I said 'roll' rather than 'role'. Predictive text is my only excuse.

k99-" I think Coded Logic has finally said what I couldn't be arsed to say and good on him, you, cofty et al for keeping it going."

Yes, but it looks like a case of 'old habbits die hard' as it's back to old ways again I'm afraid. I can't imagine the bruises Coded Logic will acquire, if he continues to hit his head so hard. We need the site owner to provide the facility of warning people that certain threads are 'hard hat' areas.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

k99-" I appreciate you trying to support mine and notsures' line of reasoning..."

I wasn't actually supporting either of you. I wouldn't be so rude as to assume such a roll. Both of you are more than competent at looking after your own affairs.

k99-"...however I am happy that I have got all I going to get from the discussion..."

I'm sure 'honour has been served'.

k99-"... and for me to continue to prod Kate has no positive angles."

Agreed.

k99-" The interesting bit of the discussion now is the debate between Cofty and Kate as it exposes me to the technicalities of a subject I have little real knowledge of."

Yes. I'm very much looking forward to it. But it would be a shame if Kate's false accusation of you and notsurewheretogo were to taint her ability to convey her perspective without the cloud of suspicion as to her true motives.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

KateWild-"Do you remember the poster Viv? Looks like we have a new one lol xx"

Piffle! I am far more courteous. But then again, who says I'm not Viv...??

KateWild-" Thanks Ruby, but this isn't good enough for Giles"

As it was inadequate, no it wasn't.

KateWild-" I apologise for falsely accusing K99 and Notsure of trying to prove me wrong. I shouldn't have accused them. Sorry K99 and Notsure."

Well good for you Kate. I mean that sincerely. I'm impressed. Jolly difficult for someone so feisty.

Thank you for a very interesting thread. Enjoy your weekend.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

KateWild-" Giles, stop being silly and derailing the thread. You're off topic. Read the post above about chemistry and if you can't make a response to the points then don't respond off topic again. I am flagging your post as off topic."

Please by all means flag any of my posts. My points are directly related to your irrational responses to the topic at hand.

Maybe you can cite the post where you do actually apologise for falsely accusing k99 and notsurewheretogo of trying to prove you wrong? Maybe Ruby can?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

Ruby-"need I go on? she has been reasonable and respectful."

No she hasn't. She hasn't apologised for the points I am refering to. My citations of what she said are after your references.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

KateWild-" But glad to see you're fascinated enough to quote mine other threads and post my comments out of context."

The quote I cited was your own. If I quoted you out of context then please show me where I have.

KateWild-" It's nice that both me and cofty have our cheer leaders"

I have never spoken to the chap.

You brought him up. I just used your previous conversation with Cofty to highlight yet another example of your aversion to being challenged.

I'd only been referring to your accusations to k99 and notsurewheretogo up until then.

But to keep all quotes pure and in context, you accused them of wanting to prove you wrong.

KateWild-" Notsure and K99,

You have both got an agenda. You are both biased with views of your own. You both don't believe in a creator. That's fine.

The problem with both of you is that you both think you are right and your agenda is to prove that on this thread."

KateWild-" You are both trying to prove I can't explain my position."

KateWild-"... you're both out to try and prove me wrong not show a genuine interest."

KateWild-" The problem with people who want to prove a point online is that they like to hide behind anonymity and don't care about the people their talking to.

When you first enquired I knew you weren't genuine...

Your problem is that you're not genuine about your interest. Perhaps you think you are but you're not."

Neither of them professed that was what they were trying to do.

k99-" Myself and other posters have been trying to get this explanation from you, not as some kind of game, not to try and trick you but simply to try and understand."

k99-" The only thing I will repeat is that I did not engage with you on this thread with some kind of predetermined atheist agenda. I have no interest in proving you right or wrong."

notsurewheretogo-" I just want to echo these sentiments as they are exactly mine...I too have no agenda..."

Yet you continued to be adamant and accuse them both. Dont you think you should publically apologise to both of them for accusing them of something they were not in fact doing? Particularly considering one of them claims to be your 'online buddy'?

The implications of the observations I have highlighted about your response to others are quite damaging to your reputation. Whenever you claim in the future that people are unfairly challenging you, it will be tainted by your evident 'persecution complex', clearly manifest in this thread.

This is true of your overreaction and subsequent false accusation of k99 and notsutewheretogo.

Your paranoia of being challenged is overtly evident and because of this k99 and notsurewheretogo have been inappropriately and unfairly maligned by you. You haven't responded reasonably in the least.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

KateWild-"If you want to you could do a bit of learning about the details in the OP and then formulate a specific question for me to challenge me or prove me wrong."

In deed I could, but far more interesting is the defensive manner you exibited when you feared that others could challenge you to the point of contradiction.

Your aversion to being challenged, or in this case feeling you were when you actually were not, has been quite fasinating to observe.

KateWild-"But it doesn't matter, cofty has made a specific point to challenge my conclusions and to try and prove me wrong. He is pretty straight forward about wanting to provide proof. I don't have a problem with that."

It would be good if that were true but you do have a problem when he challenges you. When Cofty has challenged you in other threads, you have taken it as an "attack" when he wasn't. Below is a classic example:-

KateWild-"Your allegations are unsubstantiated, and I feel attacked by you now, just because I disagree with you it doesn't mean I am dishonest."

I can read for myself he wasn't attacking you. I can also read for myself that both k99 and notsurewheretogo were not trying to "prove you wrong" as you accused them of.

So your false accusations of others obviously stem from some kind of angst you feel when faced with being contradicted. That's the part of this thread I have found most interesting.

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

KateWild-"Giles you are not being specific. I explained my conclusion and they didn't feel it was an explanation. But I did. My OP explains my conclusions to my satisfaction. If it doesn't satisfy some people that's okay."

I couldn't be anymore specific.

But it really is true you don't like being "proven wrong". Or is it just an aversion to being challenged?

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I conclude evolution is guided

by KateWild in

your qualifications are way above mine so i'd love to hear more about the specifics of what you have researched and how that supports the existence of a deity.

k99, i am not really convinced that you're interested in my conclusions.

in nature amino acids formed to then form dna.

Giles Gray

KateWild-"I did."

You didn't. They asked you numerous times for more details. You refrained because you didn't wish to be "proven wrong".

It's obviouse Kate that's what you feared, evident to everyone reading this thread.